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#421 Texas_D_Coach

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 09:03 AM

Discipline - I thought I had this one handled, I passed out a "coaching philosiphy" letter to parents letting them know about me, my expectations for them (attendance and so on), my rules for the kids (hitting, kicking spitting...ect), proper apparel and all that good stuff...But 5 minutes after handing it out I have one kid smacking another, I quickly broke it up and pulled the kid aside and noticed that it wasnt just a behavioral issue but that he was autistic (confirmed later by a mutual friend). So I guess my question is how to deal with him? I cannot really make him run because he wouldnt do it but I honestly dont see him fitting into to team in any type of playing capacity. I'm not being mean, just saying he appears to have a severe form of it and seems to be incapable of understanding what he's doing wrong....how would you address this?

Thanks in advance for any help, I am goin crazy over here trying to figure this all out, I know it's not always about winning but i'm not looking forward to addressing the team after a loss caused by my failure as a coach. I tend to get too into things so trust me i'll contribute all I can in the future.

My 2 cents KWILSON are:
Make sure you have his parent (mom or dad) assist during practices and games. It is regrettable that they didn't come to you before practice and explain the situation up front, but you have to do your best to teach the game of football to the whole team, and so it would be unfair to the rest to let his issue detract from their experience.






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Posted 12 August 2010 - 09:57 PM

The dad is more than willing to lend a hand, he is damn near coaching him 1 on 1 due to the fact that the kids cant keep his hands off the other players and the parents are fed up. He seems to do well in the activities that are a little more fun such as sharks and minnows and another similar drill I created, I think I may have a meeting with the commisioner of the league, the kids parents and myself to discuss "realistic expectations" for him. I'm in no way gonna take the easy road and tell the parents he cant be a part of the team, just want them to realize that the team comes first and I have 9 other kids that should be able to come to a practive without getting hit and spit on .Maybe i'll even coach him 1 on 1 at reciever after practice so we can work him into the games...I'll just see how it goes, for all I know this could be the first time he's been placed in a team enviorment, he could begin to thrive in a practice or two.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 03:35 PM

The dad is more than willing to lend a hand, he is damn near coaching him 1 on 1 due to the fact that the kids cant keep his hands off the other players and the parents are fed up. He seems to do well in the activities that are a little more fun such as sharks and minnows and another similar drill I created, I think I may have a meeting with the commisioner of the league, the kids parents and myself to discuss "realistic expectations" for him. I'm in no way gonna take the easy road and tell the parents he cant be a part of the team, just want them to realize that the team comes first and I have 9 other kids that should be able to come to a practive without getting hit and spit on .Maybe i'll even coach him 1 on 1 at reciever after practice so we can work him into the games...I'll just see how it goes, for all I know this could be the first time he's been placed in a team enviorment, he could begin to thrive in a practice or two.


I am new to posting, but have spent the last few days at lunch, starting with 2007 and reading up the present. I want to specifically reply to this post first. I have a 6-year old daughter with Down syndrome and so I am very familiar with some of the challenges. Down syndrome is far different than autism, which has a wide spectrum of disabilities. However, I want to convey some suggestions. First off, embrace the fact that you are making a difference and impacting this young boy's life. Help the Dad where you can. He knows the situation. He is doing his best. He is out there. The Dad will take his cues from you in practice. If you want everyone to run some specific drill, he's going to run it out with his son. Meet with the Dad for lunch or coffee. Explain your naivety about autism disorders and learn about it. Nowadays, 1 in 100 have some measure of autism and 1 of 800 have Down syndrome. You don't need to meet with the league commissioner. Here's the words for you to begin with the Dad: "Hi, how are you? Look, I just don't know anything about autism. I know that disabilities range all over the place, but that's all I know. Give me the cliff notes, so that I can make this the best experience for your son and for our football team".

If all of your kids are from the same elementary school, as mine are, meet privately with the school counselor, and learn more, not necessarily about this specific kid, but do use his name, so that the counselor can frame her response. It's only 30 minutes out of your life and will help tremendously.

If *any* of the other parents get mad upset about having a special needs child on the team, you need to clearly put those parents in their place. Perhaps they need to find another team.

Depending on your specific situation, and the degree of autism, you might consider an email to the opposition coach ahead of time, or 20-seconds ahead of the game with the ref as well. Any opposition coach should welcome the kid's Dad on the field to help him play if necessary.

As far as plays, consider something like this: shotgun snap to QB, who immediately hands off to the kid who is lined up in the backfield. QB pats him on the back and points to where to run.

Just remember that the Dad just wants the same thing for his boy as the rest of you have. It won't hurt you to go the extra step for this kid. His Dad deals with it and worries about his son 24/7.

Good luck.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 04:29 PM

- So...I was wondering how do you actually begin play installation? Might be a stupid question but on I really dont feel confident about attempting until I heard from someone thats done it. I have decided to number my positions rather than color code them so I thought I might number cones accordingly and place the cones in formation and work each kid at each cone until I felt they knew what was going on. I figure once we cycled through the cones a couple of times somewhat smoothly we do game situation (against only 4 kids and 2 parents at saftey) until it looked respectasble...any suggestions?

I think when I coached 5-6 year olds, we had maybe three formations (spread, pro, and I). If you think about it, only two players change where they line up in each of these formations.

Next, break your objective into two categories: 1-Learning plays, and 2-Practicing plays.

Learning plays:
When I teach my players a new play, I ensure they DO NOT have a defense facing them. Instead I'll put six kids on the LOS, with all other kids watching. I then walk through the play and have the kids run it a few times (once again, not facing a defense). I'll then switch the other kids in and have them walk through it. The reason you don't want them facing a defense is because the best way (IMO) to teach a new play is to be on the LOS and walk them through it. With the defense there, they will know exactly what it is an shut it down--thus stripping any and all confidence about the play from the offensive players.

Practicing plays:
Once they have their new plays down fairly well--then impose a defense on them (and simply call the play in the huddle). This is where you can begin to fine-tune the plays. I'd wager every veteran coach on here will tell you that the most important thing you can do is fine-tune your plays. Once you are practicing them against a defense, you should see a myriad of "little things" that each offensive player needs to do. In fact, quite often once I see how a new play works against a defense, I have no problem saying, "You know, let's change this. Joey, I'd like you to run a Medium In instead of a Deep In." I firmly believe the key to offensive success in 10u flag football, is the little things.

Finally, it's practice plays, practice plays, and then practice plays. That is the only way to do it, in my opinion. A few seasons ago, I told my team at practice, "Practicing plays is fun." They all kind of looked at me like, "Oh yea, sure." I told them, "No-no. Maybe not at practice, but at the games. When you guys go out there and drill the defense, your gonna be like, 'Yep, I'm having some fun now!'" ;-)

Discipline - I thought I had this one handled, I passed out a "coaching philosiphy" letter to parents letting them know about me, my expectations for them (attendance and so on), my rules for the kids (hitting, kicking spitting...ect), proper apparel and all that good stuff...But 5 minutes after handing it out I have one kid smacking another, I quickly broke it up and pulled the kid aside and noticed that it wasnt just a behavioral issue but that he was autistic (confirmed later by a mutual friend). So I guess my question is how to deal with him? I cannot really make him run because he wouldnt do it but I honestly dont see him fitting into to team in any type of playing capacity. I'm not being mean, just saying he appears to have a severe form of it and seems to be incapable of understanding what he's doing wrong....how would you address this?

This is a tough one. Years ago, I had a player who was a major disruption. I mean major. Would not take the field, screamed at everyone (including me), and simply just stood there and cried and refused to do ANYTHING. I spoke with his parents and they stated that he had "behavioral problems" but I don't believe it was a medical condition--he was not segmented in school or anything. Long story short, I ended up having to remove him from my team. This was simply because he did not want to play, and once his parents (who wanted him to play) realized that I could not physically pick him up and put him on the field--they agreed to withdraw him from the league--with a full refund.

With that said, if this is truly a kid with special needs, AND he wants to play, then I would embrace it. Talk with your team about it--encourage them to embrace him as well. I believe George had a great suggestion of also emailing the opposing coach to keep him in the loop.

Good luck and please let us know how you are progressing!

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:25 PM

The dad is more than willing to lend a hand, he is damn near coaching him 1 on 1 due to the fact that the kids cant keep his hands off the other players and the parents are fed up. He seems to do well in the activities that are a little more fun such as sharks and minnows and another similar drill I created, I think I may have a meeting with the commisioner of the league, the kids parents and myself to discuss "realistic expectations" for him. I'm in no way gonna take the easy road and tell the parents he cant be a part of the team, just want them to realize that the team comes first and I have 9 other kids that should be able to come to a practive without getting hit and spit on .Maybe i'll even coach him 1 on 1 at reciever after practice so we can work him into the games...I'll just see how it goes, for all I know this could be the first time he's been placed in a team enviorment, he could begin to thrive in a practice or two.



KWilson,

Good for you. I know as the head coach you have a lot on your plate. You want to be fair to everyone and you have more than one person to worry about, but I really think this could be a great opportunity for everyone involved; you the coach, the parents and your players, to grow and learn what youth sports are really about.

We are talking about 5 - 7 year olds here. This will not make or break anyones future NFL career. What it will do is teach everyone that at the end of the day there is more to life than winning or losing. All of our young people need to learn to take the focus off of themselves and focus on helping others. I think as the leader, once everyone sees that you are committed to making this work, everyone for the most part will fall in and support this 100%. For the few that don't let them move elsewhere as those are the ones your going to have trouble with year after year anyway.

I have to be honest that I never had the opportunity to coach a child with special needs so I can't speak from experience. If there are any of you out there who have some experience with this please put your two cents in on your experiences with what worked and didn't.

This made me think of the story that I posted along time ago about a school in Brooklyn, New York called Crush.

Check it out as I think we can all learn a thing or two about God's Perfection.

Where is God's Perfection?
In Christ,

Schann Holladay
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Posted 26 August 2010 - 02:41 AM

Ok, a couple of weeks have passed since my last post and here are a couple of udpates..

Special needs child - He is the 2nd fastest kid on the team and possibly the best flag puller, he tunes out every now and then buT has made a great deal of progress, the variable is...DRUM ROLL...his father for some reason stays in the car while we are practicing. The kid behaves WAY better without the father around for some reason. He still has hitting issues and we punish him with a 2 minute time out and he's back to his best behavior.

Team progress - We run 10 plays on offense and basically 3 on defense (we cant rush the qb - league rules)

Scrimmage 1 - We won 35-0, We had 2 rushing td's , 2 passing td's and an interception for a td.
Defense - We stayed in position , 4-2(zone)and did a great job swarming and pulling flags, I guess all the pursuit and flag pulling drills really paid off. We intercepted the ball 3 times.
Offense - We went 5-6 passing, most were 5yd curls Td's were on a 15 yard fly and a 3yd center drag. Rushing, we ran all over them, I spread the field with my formation and literally every run broke for 10+ yds. We run alot of misdirection plays.

Scrimmage 2 - We won 42-0, 2 passing td's, 3 rushing td's and a int for a td.
Defense - They hit us quick with a 35yd run that must of woke my guys up because they maybe had 35 total yards the rest of the game. We only had one int but seemed to always be in position to break up the passes.
Offense - I knew we could run so I made it a point to pass more, we went 13-21 (3 qb's). Again, the majority of the passes we 5 yard curls/outs.

Special thanks to everyone who has ever posted on these forums, before logging into this site I literally knew nothing about flag football, this site is amazing....I have another scrimmage tomorrow at 6:30...stay tuned.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 08:29 PM

KWILSON -

Congrats on a great start, keep up the good work!
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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:36 AM

I found this thread like most people did, while digging for drills and plays. So allow me to introduce myself. I'm an assistant coach on a YMCA team in Dallas. 6/6 3rd grade boy's flag, 1 rusher 8 yards out, kid QB, no-run zones, 3 downs to get a 1st. About 15 teams in the uber-competitive league. Min 7 kids on a team, max 9. Somehow, we ended up with 11 though.

Thanks to everyone here who is so supportive!!

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:34 PM

KWILSON -

Congrats on a great start, keep up the good work!


Thanks, we have scrimmages today (Tuesday) and Thursday then our first game on Saturday. We look pretty good, the thing I learned early in these forums is to keep it simple, I see alot of these other teams practicing double reverses and other plays that are too complex for kids this age.

Here's a link to a video I took, the Cleveland Browns invited us (101 kids) to their 2nd preseason game, we got to go on the field and be a part of a guantlet as they came out of the tunnel, we also stood with them for the national anthem. The vid is short because I wasnt sure I was allowed to film.



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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:50 AM

We had our first good practice, so I have several questions for this esteemed group. I started with Orange's plays, limited to only end-arounds, center drags, and added a basic halfback handoff. Left/right for each of those for a total of 6 plays. For the first practice, I tried to rotate through each player touching the ball, QB, center and catching. So let me fire away some questions...

When lining up, per the Orange plays, I'm spreading the kids out by about one yard. Is that about right? It does give space for the one defensive rusher. Do you tighten up or spread out more, depending on the play. I'm going on the philosophy of same formation each play.

The kids did pretty well understanding those 6 plays. We have one more practice before our first game. Would you add more plays or practice on executing those 6 to perfection? My other coach is concerned that we don't have a deep throw to keep the defense "honest" and we don't have a screen pass (to dink over the rusher). Note: I took the idea that I read somewhere here and printed up the plays in color and laminated.

How much do you rotate which kid gets to be QB? I understand and wholeheartedly agree with the philosophy of ensuring that each kid gets his touches. Before the season begins, do you generally know which kid plays which position and stick to that? Once the quarter begins (assuming no substitutions), do you stick with the assigned position throughout the quarter?

Thanks. I'm sure I'll have more.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 03:59 PM

I have several questions for this esteemed group.

George, I'll throw up some answers under this thread, but for future questions/comments, you may want to start a new topic under the Youth Flag Football Forum just so it doesn't go unnoticed in this older thread.

I'm spreading the kids out by about one yard. Is that about right? I'm going on the philosophy of same formation each play.

Sounds like your spacing is fine, going with the same formation makes it easier on the kids to learn and keeps the defense guessing. I use different formations depending upon what I'm seeing on the field (trips, twins, etc..).

Would you add more plays or practice on executing those 6 to perfection?

I'd make sure the kids have those plays down, then start to add variations on those plays.

My other coach is concerned that we don't have a deep throw to keep the defense "honest" and we don't have a screen pass (to dink over the rusher).

Look for a play called FLOOD on this forum under the plays section, works well against a rush. For the deep pass, I like a trips formation, especially against a zone. I have one of the WRs run a smaller route as a safety valve and send the other two WRs long in the same zone. Play action works really well for deeper passes if you can suck in the defense on a fake handoff. Some of our play action plays are in the first minute or so of this vid (you can also see FLOOD at 2:05):

View on Vimeo.



How much do you rotate which kid gets to be QB?

We’ve bounced this around a lot on the forum. I settled on having 2-3 main QBs. The reason I stick with 2-3 is it reduces the fumbled snaps, poor handoffs, bad passes, etc. and increases everyone’s chances for more successful ball touches. Having said that, I have a parent (my wife) track times at QB for the entire team,it helps me get everyone in at QB throughout the year, even if it’s for only a few plays.

Before the season begins, do you generally know which kid plays which position and stick to that? Once the quarter begins (assuming no substitutions), do you stick with the assigned position throughout the quarter?

Some coaches teach the kids positions and stick with that, I tend to switch everyone based on who needs touches and what plays work better for that individual.

Hope this helps!
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:54 PM

Thanks Rob. I spent about 2 weeks each lunch reading through this particular thread. It was interesting watching the progression of discussion from 2007 until now. I'll dig further and start posting questions in the main forum. The video was very helpful. Thanks.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 02:58 PM

How much do you rotate which kid gets to be QB? I understand and wholeheartedly agree with the philosophy of ensuring that each kid gets his touches. Before the season begins, do you generally know which kid plays which position and stick to that? Once the quarter begins (assuming no substitutions), do you stick with the assigned position throughout the quarter?


I am one (maybe the only one) ;-) who keeps his kids in the same position. In past seasons I would give them a primary and secondary position, but since switching to 6-6, I now have 10 players in primary positions, and two are utility players (who can play any position).

It has not been a problem for us, and in fact I've had the same players for 5+ seasons, and they ALL enjoy playing their defined position.

The KEY to this, is to create your playbook so that each position has equal number of plays to touch the ball. I've listed what I feel are the benefits to this many times on this forum, but the short version is:

1. Kids are able to learn more plays because they focus on one position.
2. Players have a sense of ownership at their position and enjoy fine-tuning their responsibilities on each play.
3. If you switch kids in an out of the RB position (as an example), chances are you are doing so because your playbook is designed to give the RB a lot of touches. By going the other way, the defense will never know who is getting the ball on a particular play because your playbook can get the ball to any position at any time. Frankly I am amazed at how many teams use their RB as their top ball-carrier.

As mentioned, the key is to ensure design your playbook so that everyone gets equal touches from their position. You will be surprised how creative you can get when deciding how to get your X receiver five different hand-offs. ;-) Also, be sure to let the players know no position is more important than the other. Make a big deal about of each position and explain how each position is accountable on every play.


Finally--I also agree that you want to fine tune your plays (it's extremely important to do so), but also keep tweaking/adding plays after each game. Once the season begins, I cannot keep my mind off ways to improve certain plays, adding new plays, etc. It consumes me. I can honestly tell you I don't care about winning--all I care about is how we execute. If we execute, everything else will fall into place.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 03:22 PM

One more thing, concerning the QB position (because I've always found this an interesting topic). My son has played QB for us for every season I've coached. I know a lot of dad's thump their chest about their sons, but my son was without a doubt the best QB in our league last season (although I doubt he will be when we move up to 10-12). He has one INT over the past two seasons (he went this past season with zero picks)--and we throw 40% of the plays. We've one two championships in the past three seasons and were in the championship game one of those three---so the numbers are there to justify him as our QB.

However--we know some kids want to play QB. We also know that not all kids can play QB (frankly without embarrassing themselves). I've had backup QBs who threw INTs nearly every time they passed--and it was not fun at all for him or his family.

As mentioned, the QB on our team has a plethora responsibilities on every single play. So much so, my son gets 95% of his "QB coaching" at home. I rarely work with him at practice as he walks on the field knowing what to do. This allows me to spend quality time on the other positions.

Each season, however, I always challenge any player to beat out my son at the QB position. The ONLY caveat is that the parents must work with him on learning the assignments, as I simply have too much to cover in practice and can only spend so much time on the QB position. I will work with him on the basics, but provide the parents with the responsibilities for each play and if the player wants to learn them, then I will give him time at the QB position. The way I figure it, I am coaching all the kids, AND coaching my son at QB at home. If I can do that and a parent wants their son to play QB, then he (or she) can put in the same time as I do. I know I would if I weren't coaching and wanted my son to play QB.

So....whether this approach is right or wrong, it's the one I believe in. I can say that I've been very fortunate in that I've yet to have a parent question why I don't rotate players in and out of the QB position.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 09:09 AM

Hey Coaches,

Need some insight on slowing down the game, FOR ME. I am having difficulty getting players a play on offense and who goes where during the game. We have only had two practices and are limited to about 40 min. of practice before we play our games. It is a bit kaotic for me and the kids don't get a chance to rotate so each has a chance to contribute on offense (should I design a play for each kid?). I have only two QB's per game, 1 each half. But are different each game. This being said we are 2-0 but I feel like I am failing at getting each child a pass to catch or run to execute. This is important to me and THEM.

Thanks