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#1 Vegas Coach

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 11:42 AM

There has been numerous discussions and techniques used for coaching up flag pulling and drills used for flag pulling. I wanted to start its own thread on defense and flag pulling because a lot of the information is spread out and frankly defensive flag pulling deserves its own discussion thread. Anyhow, I would appreciate it if all fellow coaches would post their drills they use for flag pulling and coaching points or techniques they use to help the kids get this concept. Also let us know how you approach defense and what alignments you use. One thing also is how you teach the kids to stay in their areas or zones and lanes on defense. I'm looking for more ideas.

For Flag pulling, I use the drill where we set up a cone box about 7x10 yards and have 2 defenders in the box while the runner takes a handoff and tries to run through the defenders in the box to make it to the other side.

Another drill we use is we set up about 5 cones 4 yards apart, like this...... X X X X X

Then we have a defender on one side and the RB on the other side taking the ball and choosing what lane to run through. The defenders job is to mirror the runner and grab his flag as or before he chooses his lane. This drill can be found here for a better picture of it..... http://www.canoe.ca/.../Drills/16.html

We try and teach the kids to rake at the flag belt rather than swing at the flags and also to watch their hips and belly button.


What do you guys have?

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 12:30 PM

I have a few drills

1 on 1 Straight ahead flag pulling-Oklahoma style drill.Also make a lane about 14 yards long 5 yards wide

Group Flag Pulling-This one is the kids most favorite.Make a 25x25 field.2 people in the inside.The rest of the people have to get from one side to the other without there flag getting pulled

Angle-We line the kids up about 7-8 yards apart with both of them facing north.the line with the ball is about 3 yards back.the ones doing the flag pulling have to grab the flags at an angle.

I definitely say the angle one is boring but it works great.Our past 2 seasons doing it we have had a huge increase in kids understanding how to take an angle on flag pulling and we stress 2 hands like crazy
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Posted 02 September 2008 - 09:22 AM

Angle-We line the kids up about 7-8 yards apart with both of them facing north.the line with the ball is about 3 yards back.the ones doing the flag pulling have to grab the flags at an angle.

I definitely say the angle one is boring but it works great.Our past 2 seasons doing it we have had a huge increase in kids understanding how to take an angle on flag pulling and we stress 2 hands like crazy



Thanks for this suggestion, we have used this drill the last two practices and while it took the kids a little getting used too... it has been a good flag pulling drill with anticipating angles and pursuit.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 09:32 AM

Your flag pulling drills look good. There are a couple of things I would add. One, is that we tell our defenders to physically get in the way of the runner such that you can slow him down. The way I teach it is using the same drill as the old lane in which the runners run, except they don't pull flags. They simply get in the way and try to slow him down. The other thing that I stress is swarming defense. I don't really have a drill per se, but I stress it and go over it time and again. Everyone on defense is running to the ball.

We are going to run a 2 1 2, 1 1 3 and a 3 1 1, all zones. My idea this year is to also disguise the defense with the kids shifting around prior to and following the snap. So far with limited practice the shifting works well.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 11:07 AM

I like the disguise thing...I love my 2-1-2 though...Hmm.Maybe i'll start disguising that.I like to just shut other teams down though.

Im the old fashion this is what were gonna due.Now stop us

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 11:51 AM

I like the disguise thing...I love my 2-1-2 though...Hmm.Maybe i'll start disguising that.I like to just shut other teams down though.

Im the old fashion this is what were gonna due.Now stop us

lol

The weakness of the 2 1 2 is that then center of the field is wide open. I'm hoping to catch teams trying to throw down the middle on us by giving them a 2 1 2 look then sliding a defender into the center.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 12:09 PM

I like the disguise thing...I love my 2-1-2 though...Hmm.Maybe i'll start disguising that.I like to just shut other teams down though.

Im the old fashion this is what were gonna due.Now stop us

lol

The weakness of the 2 1 2 is that then center of the field is wide open. I'm hoping to catch teams trying to throw down the middle on us by giving them a 2 1 2 look then sliding a defender into the center.


that depends on if you blitz...i dont always blitz.basically i usually put the smartest person in there.i give them the option.they know not to blitz everytime though.basically depends on the play though.

the way i teach that is the front 3 read for run first then pass second and the back 2 deep safeties read pass first run second.
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Posted 02 September 2008 - 01:53 PM

that depends on if you blitz...i dont always blitz.basically i usually put the smartest person in there.i give them the option.they know not to blitz everytime though.basically depends on the play though.

the way i teach that is the front 3 read for run first then pass second and the back 2 deep safeties read pass first run second.

That's a good idea. I am a huge proponent of placing pressure on the qb but giving the rusher an option is something I want to experiment with.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 08:57 PM

that depends on if you blitz...i dont always blitz.basically i usually put the smartest person in there.i give them the option.they know not to blitz everytime though.basically depends on the play though.

the way i teach that is the front 3 read for run first then pass second and the back 2 deep safeties read pass first run second.

That's a good idea. I am a huge proponent of placing pressure on the qb but giving the rusher an option is something I want to experiment with.


Exactly why we do that.Our i9 gaves us 4 downs for a first.

Basically we had an awesome player.So we stuck them there.They were simply at amazing at reading run and pass.So we had them always look like they were gonna blitz whether or nor they were was up to them.Obviously and 3rd/4th and long we sent the blitz.2nd town was our typical non blitz down but we always changed it up.But I could guarantee you no team could guess if we were going to blitz or not...
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Posted 03 September 2008 - 07:15 AM

Exactly why we do that.Our i9 gaves us 4 downs for a first.

Basically we had an awesome player.So we stuck them there.They were simply at amazing at reading run and pass.So we had them always look like they were gonna blitz whether or nor they were was up to them.Obviously and 3rd/4th and long we sent the blitz.2nd town was our typical non blitz down but we always changed it up.But I could guarantee you no team could guess if we were going to blitz or not...

I ran a little of this at last nights scrimmage and I like the results. I didn't give them an option but I told them to always line up like they were rushing and I would tell them to rush or rush halfway and play a middle zone. And you are correct, the right kid in this spot would make it much easier (same can be said of most positions).

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 11:45 AM

Exactly why we do that.Our i9 gaves us 4 downs for a first.

Basically we had an awesome player.So we stuck them there.They were simply at amazing at reading run and pass.So we had them always look like they were gonna blitz whether or nor they were was up to them.Obviously and 3rd/4th and long we sent the blitz.2nd town was our typical non blitz down but we always changed it up.But I could guarantee you no team could guess if we were going to blitz or not...

I ran a little of this at last nights scrimmage and I like the results. I didn't give them an option but I told them to always line up like they were rushing and I would tell them to rush or rush halfway and play a middle zone. And you are correct, the right kid in this spot would make it much easier (same can be said of most positions).


Nice...Luckily i guess with my kids being older they understood situations on whether or not to blitz.yea i love it tho.we also did the half rush to keep that middle covered.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:18 AM

My team this past year played a modified 2-1-2, with my 2 CBs actually backing off the LOS about 5-7 yards, the front LB playing 1-2 yds off of ball and my rushing LB and safety fairly close to each other at the snap of the ball to add a bit of confusion for the QB. I also mainly play man, as my 9-11 y/o's struggled with playing zone, and to be honest they played man fairly well, so we stuck with it. We also had a rusher about 90% of the time.

Position responsibilities:
CBs: WRs
Rushing LB: QB
Front LB: RB, or if no RB, Ctr
S: 3rd WR or C.

My take on a rusher is that I train the players to do the following:

1) Meet with the front LB in the defensive huddle before each play to decide which side the rusher (RLB) is going to come from.
2) The RLB is actually coached to do a run-blitz.
3) The rusher & FLB always are in communication if there is a handoff or end around. Only time we break away from a man-to-man is if there is an end around to the wide receiver. The CB covering that receiver then stays with the QB in case there is a pass back.
4) Since one LB is rushing from one side and the other LB is covering the other, end-arounds and running plays will at least meet with a slow-down obstacle at the line of scrimmage. CBs and Safety don't come up until ball is past LOS.
5) I tell our RLB to try to push the QB to their weak side as much as possible, never leave their feet to block a pass, and slow down with short, choppy steps about 6-8 feet in front of the QB. Staying between the QB and their receivers is more important then getting the sack, IMO as 9-11 y/o's aren't comfortable with throwing when someone is in front.

Our winning in the playoffs/SB was solely due to having our 2nd most athletic player rush the QB. He was blazing fast, and by the time he was in the QBs face, the other team's WRs were just alongside our CBs.

Not sure who mentioned the fake double rush, but I was thinking of that this past year, and I think that would be a good idea, just to mix it up. Players love rushing the QB (especially with no one blockign them), and if you rushed two players just one time, and then faked it other, I would think you could get some picks from that.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:51 AM

I like that idea of having really one of your more fast athletic kids rush the QB. I think that is a good point. We had our first game this past weekend and one thing I have discovered last year and so far this year is alternating the rusher. We send a rusher about 90% of the time because I believe in pressuring the QB at this young of an age. But by alternating rushers, it keeps the kids rushing fresh and thus can really get in there on the QBs face without tiring out.

I like the idea of the drill that Orange mentioned by getting in the "way" of the runners in practice. Kind of like a defensive blocking foul in basketball.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:25 PM

Your flag pulling drills look good. There are a couple of things I would add. One, is that we tell our defenders to physically get in the way of the runner such that you can slow him down. The way I teach it is using the same drill as the old lane in which the runners run, except they don't pull flags. They simply get in the way and try to slow him down. The other thing that I stress is swarming defense. I don't really have a drill per se, but I stress it and go over it time and again. Everyone on defense is running to the ball.

We are going to run a 2 1 2, 1 1 3 and a 3 1 1, all zones. My idea this year is to also disguise the defense with the kids shifting around prior to and following the snap. So far with limited practice the shifting works well.



Orange can you give me some more information on how you shift the kids?

I really want to do this but I'm not exactly sure how to yet
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 07:00 AM

Orange can you give me some more information on how you shift the kids?

I really want to do this but I'm not exactly sure how to yet

Sure. Basically I'll line them up in a certain formation but tell them when the ball is snapped to shift into a different coverage. That way the offense thinks you are running a certain defense when in actuality you're running something else.

Example: Line up in a 3 1 1, with 2 corners, a mlb, a rusher and one safety. The offense gets to the line and sees only one safety deep so they are thinking they can go long. Initially I'll have the safety lined up in the middle. On the snap the safety slides over to one side and the mlb backpedals to the other safety spot. So the coverage is really a 2 1 2. Of course you can do this one in reverse and begin with a 2 1 2 look and shift into a 3 1 1.

You'll probably want to limit the number of players shifting so as not to make it too complicated. In the above example I only shifted the mlb and safety. The other change I've done which I think you did too was to fake rush. The rusher goes in fast and then covers a short middle zone. Alternatively you could begin in a 3 1 1 and have the rusher maybe take a step or two forward then drop into the safety spot while the other slides over from middle to the other side.

I guess my idea is to confuse the offense into thinking that we have a different defense then the one we lined up in. I think at your age group it would be more valuable because the qbs are going to read the defense and then try to make a play. I'm pretty sure most of our opponents at 10 & under are not as sophisticated but I do hope to confuse their coaches.