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[D-Math 20]

Oh, I didnt realize you coached 8-9yr olds. I myself am a senior and have always played in a high school league (excluding the one I played in in 8th grade). it has also always been 5v5.
I dont understand wat you mean by runs. In the leagues I've been in, I think I've seen maybe 1 run in all 5 yrs. its somewhat impractical I guess for 5v5.
I guess all I'd have to say to that is have the blizter always attack the person with the ball. thats usually wat we do.
Everytime blitzes every play (cause if they didnt i could easily find a whole in their defense in the 7 seconds allowed, or run it myself).
but without QB sneaking allowed, i dont think I would execute a blitz ever.
I think wat I would keep the zoneage i have, send the backer in for the blitz, and to purely watch for any sort of run or hand off.
if there isnt any he can just keep going to the QB (if thats wat u want, or sit in the middle like 4 yards back.
u can drop the flat players about 4 yards into a 2-2-1 (2 safeties, 2 corners in flat, 1 backer in middle flat so to speak). That would keep the QB wondering about the blitz, whiule also occupying the middle for the center or crossing routes.

I personally have always played man.
Technically, in a real zone, you must stick with the man ur on after 3 seconds, if you dont u can have problems when u go to pass someone off, and can be picked apart.
if you do man and blitz every play, u can stop that run (as impractical as it seems to me; though maybe i just cant grasp the idea fully) and force the QB to get rid of it fast.
its harder to break up a man coverage in the first 4 seconds. let me know wat you think. i already used ur diagram set up to make my own versions with man coverage.
I also created what I like to call the multi-option unbeatable play. It's effectiveness most likely limited to those of older ages. I can no doubt see the trouble plays like mine could cause for younger players under the multiposition circumstance. The only change I might make is to always blitz the QB from the strength. If thats not working always blitz from the side of his arm to force him to throw back across the field. and if thats not working fall back to wat uve been doing.

if wanted i can post the man coverages too. it has slightly easier to understand set ups, but still a bit complex

[D-Math 20]

Heres 2 man to man formations for the two main line ups a team might have

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[rushbuster70]

I prefer to stay away from man personally...Nice diagram though.

[Coach Phillips]

I prefer to stay away from man personally...Nice diagram though.

Man to Man =Trouble in my leauge.

[milkman]

Good Stuff D-Math.

I coach very similar techniques.

It's a big advantage coaching the older kids they can adjust on the fly and understand the principles of Zone and Man coverage. They pick up on the idea that the game evolves and play must adapt and flow with the game.

It's really not that the younger kids are unable to apply these principles, but in the NFL 5 on 5 leagues they generally only have one practice and game a weak so it's much easier to simplify the schemes. There is just not enough time to teach the kids to read and adjust. Not mention that younger kids take things very literally. Things are either black or white with most of these kids. Most have not developed the ability to think freely and confidently outside the box.
It comes in time.

I would really like see what else you have.

[RMH]

Texas-D, Great Stuff! I've already "incorporated" your slides into my playbook. Do you know if anyone has put together a slide for 1-1-3 Zone? I ran a 2-1-2 in our first jamboree / scrimmage with some success. I'm probably going to add the 5 Zone this week and am really interested in the 1-1-3 as it doesn't leave the middle as open.

[dellobo]

I forgot to mention, the rusher must be 7 yds off the line, and the QB cannot run. Can send as many rushers as we like but all must be 7yards back. Only shuffle passes and forward passes are allowed (no laterals or pitches), and the running backs can pass after a handoff).

New to forum. This is the same thing we do in Cedar Park down the road from you.

I am use to hearing the defense described with the first number being on the line and so forth. Is that also how it is being described on this forum?

Thanks

[Texas_D_Coach]

I forgot to mention, the rusher must be 7 yds off the line, and the QB cannot run. Can send as many rushers as we like but all must be 7yards back. Only shuffle passes and forward passes are allowed (no laterals or pitches), and the running backs can pass after a handoff).

New to forum. This is the same thing we do in Cedar Park down the road from you.

I am use to hearing the defense described with the first number being on the line and so forth. Is that also how it is being described on this forum?

Thanks

That's the way I write it too, i.e. a 3-1-1 is 3 on the line with 1 blitzer at 7 yards and 1 deep safety. I have seen it written the other way on these boards too though.

[foot_farm]

Here are the diagrams I've made to teach the kids their "home" zone and responsibility area at practice this week. I'm hoping I won't confuse them but I think visually showing them their area will help them to understand the coverage better.

Critiques are welcome.

Thanks for this. I am new to forum, but not to the game and this is a great visual!! Thanks.

[Coach Rob]

Have any of you guys tried these type of stunts, and what do you think of the strategy I have outlayed so far.

This post is kinda old, but yes, I run stunts. Mainly what you described out of a 2-3 zone. I'll take my two better safeties and put them up front, then send 2 - 3 rushers from the 3, while the 2 on the los drop back to cover.

[Thrawn87]

I prefer to stay away from man personally...Nice diagram though.

Man to Man =Trouble in my leauge.

Man coverage can be effective depending on the formation. If the offense is spread out, man coverage can be very effective if you have the athletes to match up. I coach 6-8 graders and some teams have kids so fast and quarterbacks so accurate that zone simply doesn't work. We go man to contain the other teams best athletes with our best athletes and pressure the QB. If the offense is spread out, the throws generally have to travel farther so if we can keep those players covered a little longer and bring pressure, it can cause inaccurate passes.

 

The risk with man is you're susceptible to runs, but at this level, you don't see end arounds or reverses anymore. Most of it is spread passing formations.