10 Year Old Pitcher, How Many Warm Up Pitches
Posted 26 April 2004 - 06:10 AM
Posted 26 April 2004 - 10:48 AM
My older son throws about 100 baseballs a day during the season 4-5 times a week during warm-ups, situations, etc. He has never had a sore arm pitching. He does not throw hard either so he does not have the pressure.
To sum it up, I would not let a 10 year old throw more than 50-70 pitches within a 4 day period if he throws hard.
Posted 01 May 2004 - 10:58 PM
Now I'm not the most experienced Coach in the world, but from my experience I've found that most of my pitchers work better with less warmup. Work them hard in practice, and on gameday just let them get warm, and let them fire!
To me, the key is that they throw enough in practice. And I'm not talking about general playing practice. I disagree with previous poster. You cannot consider fielding practice, there is far too much delay between throws. You need to practice pitching, with nobody hitting, so they can build their arms, work on location, and teach them more than just a fastball.
Posted 03 May 2004 - 01:00 PM
The same with shortstop or other positions. How much have they thrown in the game or practice?
I was not saying that the playing of other positions will take the place of pitching practice. You just should not overuse a child's arm in one day. You have to take all things into account.
Posted 08 May 2004 - 05:42 PM
Pitching has so much more energy involved. Not only do they throw much harder than 25% (as you say), they are throwing change-ups and breaking balls (I teach them sliders). This requires 4-5 TIMES more energy than a simple return lob toss from the catcher.
Kind of common sense.
Posted 11 May 2004 - 10:51 AM
I will say that you will burn a kid's arm out if you don't take this into consideration. Muscles can only be broke down so much without doing permanent damage. (Doctoral sense or common sense) I also don't think 10 year olds need to be throwing very many breaking pitches. Yes, I will agree the slider is a lot better on the arm than the curve ball but that is still pressure on the wrist and elbow. 12 is different, but 10 years old?
If a 10 year old can throw strikes, he doesn't need a breaking pitch.
Again, my final answer is that all throws a player throws in a specified period have to be taken into evaluation in determining how much to pitch.
Example, my 12 year old son pitched 3 innings in the first game of a tournament, 2 innings in the second. We put him at first the 3rd game to give his arm a break, he normally would have caught, because we wanted him to pitch the finals if we made it. If a player catches for 2 games that throwing has to affect his arm muscles ability to pitch.
Posted 18 May 2004 - 10:49 PM
Off speed pitches is another area we'll disagree about as well. I've done a bit of reading on this matter, and there's really no evidence of a slider causing elbow problems. The problem is that many kids don't want to throw a real slider, they want to see the ball break 3 feet, so they end up throwing a curve. I don't believe a slow curve is an effective pitch against a good hitter anyway, and since you don't throw curves at poor hitters...what's the point? But a well thrown slider is extremely effective. The hitter thinks he's seeing a fastball, and when it gets to the plate the bottom falls out. Extremely hard to hit!
I will agree with you that any off-speed pitch should be thrown only at selective times in each inning, and really never against weak hitters. For several reasons: I Coach Minors, and these boys just can't get that pitch over the plate often enough, you need to have a good catcher who will block the ball with runners on base, plus it's just more effective when the kids don't see it often.
But I cannot tell you how much more successful a young pitcher can be with having one effective off speed pitch. Now if the kid doesn't have any velocity on his fastball.....then forget it. What's the point? But if he has a solid fastball, he MUST learn a second pitch. There are just too many good hitters who can hit a fastball....one trip to the 40 MPH batting cage proves my point. After just a few pitches at the same speed and location even the weakest hitters can catch-up to a fastball. To be able to mix in an well placed off-speed pitch will take the best hitters to their knees.
I'll agree with you on another matter too. Throwing strikes is much more important than knowing any number of pitches. Two of my better pitchers have very good fastballs, but constantly suffer from not being able to throw strikes. Strikes, strikes, and more strikes. Half the kids you'll face want to Walk. Got to throw strikes. That's why I teach them a pitch I call a "Nice and Easy Strike." It's fastball grip, but the pitcher just takes a bit off just to get it over the plate.
Anyway, good discussion. Thanks.
Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:39 AM
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